#4. Nantes, France. Unfortunately, the vinyl and CDs were impressive but not immersive. I think the Doug Sax mastering has a slight edge over the other two and the funny thing is. SACD vs. It was developed jointly by Sony and Philips Electronics and intended to be the successor to the compact disc (CD) format. Even on masterings I'm not all that happy with, the deep soundstage is there. The better sounding recordings any given record company are the one's chosen for SACD release. . for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Details;SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Vinyl depends on a mechanically driven system, and any such system will introduce minute changes in the speed and pitch of playback. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. . I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. CD has a tint. We really need to move on, but SACD and DVD-A and BluRay have so far not killed the Red Book standard disc. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. KevinP Forum introvert. More sharing options. The SHM-SACD is based off a copy tape and the HDTracks download is compressed. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Also, at the very end of the song, you notice some more dramatic quiet spots on the CD, where the SACD seems to be "filled in" a bit more. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. g. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. So, Changes CD is DR 12 and Changes SACD is DR 11. however you need to be extra careful as there are many SACDs where the MultiCh content is not only distinct in being a different mix but a different mastering from the Stereo and that Stereo version can often just be a recycling of the current CD remaster the label had at the. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. Vinyl. The initial presentation changed from relatively mechanical to one with atmosphere and naturalness. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. 49. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. #2. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. Mine arrived earlier this afternoon (GMT +8), along with Paranoid and Who's Next. 98. The ABCX-758A/B as mentioned above is my favorite. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and onl. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. Other than that, the DSD bit stream should be exactly the same for the SACD part. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. If you want to try SACD on a budget (relatively), the Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu-Ray player plays SACDs (as well as DVD Audio, which does high-res surround). Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 45 RPM Vinyl Record. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Quick links. View entire discussion. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5. Both are also 4K UHD Blu-Ray players. Claus , Feb 11, 2015 So, my completely subjective vote will go for DVD-A (or SACD). Two channel SACD just blew away the CD's, while hybrids were not out yet I had albums that I had both the CD and the SACD to compare. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . The SHM-SACD is still a good option because it doesn't have CSG processing. (Figures IIRC, can't find citation at the moment. better stereo separation, etc. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. SACD vs. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. I own this one along with the 1997 re-issue and a 35DP-62 Japan for US. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired sonic attributes. Just my $0. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". These backup copies could be used for future releases whenever a new convenient data medium comes around. Today, the world has moved on to multi-bit PCM. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. . I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The presence of the CD layer shouldn't affect at all (at least in principle) the reading of the SACD layer. Oh yeah, Aimee Mann and Vanessa Fernandez too, that would be the newest. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Probably the highest quality classical recording I own. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Note the word “indistinguishable. Tell me what you think, do you prefer SACD's or Vinyls because they sound the same to me, only you get the 5. #3. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. The thing that I found most interesting when reviewing the first-time LP record pressing of George Harrison’s 1992 live album — called simply Live In Japan — was not the high quality, dark black, perfectly. But most of us here are comfortable and familiar with it. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. (2014 Mercury BluRay 0602537736973) Allman Brothers Band-Brothers and Sisters (2014 MFSL SACD HR UDSACD 2103) Allman Brothers Band-Eat A Peach (2004 Mecury SACD HR B0002439-36) Allman Brothers Band-Eat a. SACD’s technical advantages, high resolution, dynamic range, and low noise. Sonos does not likely play DSD. Bluntness acknowledged as you being quite passionate, or convinced that the 20th anniversary SACD version is poor at best It was actually the first SACD I bought many years ago, even without owning an SACD capable player at the time. View entire discussion. Record labels. Quote: Originally Posted by regal The sampling rate 44. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), whi. I much prefer CD to SACD. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I wrote I was somewhat pleased with the mastering. Todd68, Jun 30, 2019. #30. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. DACs sound different because different DACs apply different filters to the input data and have different methods of producing the analogue signal, even if every DAC used the same chip each DAC's analogue output stage is different. Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. Blue Note sacds), I already have records of. Even if. it's stickly limited to 7500 copies. In the vinyl vs. All Activity; My Activity Streams . 99. SHM-SACD vs UK Vinyl. . #4. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Submitted by Irwin on Sun, 2015-04-26 01:07 . Analog Format. Hi commsysman. Rolling Stone ranked them No. Sounded most balanced, less bright, more "analog". On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more,. "No matter how high a sampling rate is," Wired's. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Merch Rep the community and hobby you love so much. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. Then I bought the new SACD version. ”. It has long been believed that the human ear cannot hear frequencies above 22 kHz. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. Sample Rate: 2. Note the. Still waiting form "Brothers in Arms" on SACD I have also ordered the MoFi vinyl releases of: "Love Over Gold", "Dire Straits" and "Brothers in Arms" I look forward to comparing SACD vs Vinyl *reelspin* My thought process is I should buy them while they are relatively new and prices have not reached $200+ each yet. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. Page 1. SACD's can tend to have better mastering and transfer than standard CD releases of the same album. Japanese Import. Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have their merits and drawbacks, and the choice ultimately comes down to personal taste and priorities. Roland. The DCC versions have more punch and bass, but the AP SACD's are more flat and crisp. Music, Musicians and Bands; Activity. You can’t go wrong there. If you're a big classical/jazz listener, SACD is completely worth it. If the system is highly resolving there is a considerable and sometimes overwhelming difference. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. Whilst many (recent) multichannel SACDs are more about ambience, others are about using the system to provide an immersive sound (e. Moody Blues "Question of bal. First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. all on Hybrid Multichannel SACD, in a special edition box set limited to 2,500 numbered copies! Also available as 45 RPM double LPs in a box set. I keep reading that the vinyl setup is much better, but that is not my experience. But in the last month I have finally picked up an SACD player and I was looking to pick up the SACD of Dark Side, in fact I had started to price them when I saw this. SACD vs. In my experience, 96/24 is only slightly better than 44/16. At current SACD and vinyl reissue prices I sure do. That means engineers have a much narrower range to work with when they’re mixing and mastering the audio, and the result, for the listener, is that the stereo “image” is highly constricted. So - the SACD ain't the original, but it's a much better option than anything on vinyl except the MoFi vinyl issue. Endymion, Apr 22, 2015. Vinyl has more. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering. I own the Nautalus half-speed master from the 70's and owned the SACD. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by swinger, Mar 2, 2004. Singles 1969-1973 has a re-record or two, a little remixing, and other touches. But CDs are fine. The following are not reviews in any way—nothing I say really matters. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. It's about the music you like. Also available on: • UHQR Vinyl Record. I decided to include CD quality as well – and a couple other comparisons thrown in for good measure. Vinyl. Boy, what a difference. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. Even the UBP-X700 (cheaper) does SACD. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. Another 3 SACD set, and, if truth be told, my favourite ESOTERIC reissue. During that time, my analog front end has improved and the above-mentioned digital front end has remained the same. The yellow arrow indicates the rise in noise above 30 kHz in the SACD due to the DSD64 encoding. The SHM concept is nonsense , its no different to those magic markers that you were supposed to color the edges of your CD's with. One of the benefits of SACD is the dead quiet background. The band's incendiary…I agree to a point, but "everything matters" and adding an well built, linear power supply to my source made a subtle but very, very noticeable improvement as did cableing, power cables, isolation, etc. There’s no shortage of non audiophile hybrid disks that are $35+ vs. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. For many multi-channel enthusiasts the answer is yes, because that is what they care about most. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. g. I was still unconvinced. Edit; I forgot I have one. Note the word “indistinguishable. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl vs SACD. Worse yet, the voices felt 'simplified' somehow, almost boring. SACD has given me some great listening moments. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. . I cant tell the difference with the CD's as they dont have as much range and clarity as the other 2. Quick links. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. . Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. There are very few times I like the CD better than the LP. Add to Cart. . 8224 MHz. 8224. or Add to Wishlist. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. Music; Vinyl Records; 45 RPM Vinyl Record; Fleetwood Mac - Rumours. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. bmpnyc. Price $3,499. Quote: Originally Posted by memepool Isn't it odd then that their full sized machines like the Sony BDP-S1 support a Matsu****a format like DVD but won't play legacy Sony format's like SACD or even redbook. Aug 15, 2012. Slight increase in frequency range and they also have a lot more features on the Blu-ray disc that are fun to play with. . . The difference between DSD and the source vinyl was very, very slight and I am not sure I could tell the difference on any given day. It's rather disingenuous to claim 150 dB dynamic range for CD audio. I don't know which is more truthful. All titles are mastered from the original analog tapes by Bernie. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of. Get the DCC Gold CD of the Platinum-SHM mastering. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. There isn't an answer as to what sounds better it really is just personal preference. From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than their CD-DA counterparts. Way. It is overbright on SACD. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. For comparison of the 2022 SACD and vinyl: I have to do it again with all releases. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. Between vinyl and SACD, I buy SACD. Direct Stream Digital (DSD) is a trademark used by Sony and Philips for their system for digitally encoding audio signals for the Super Audio CD (SACD). Location: Daejeon. I am intrigued by it but don't know if it would really give me any better quality for some recordings than what I already have. I bought 2 each ten years ago or so. Here are my impressions. When Analogue Productions announced it would be releasing Bernie Grundman-mastered versions of the complete Steely Dan catalog on vinyl and SACD, audiophiles rejoiced. Moody Blues "Question of bal. On the Analogue Productions SACD,. Vinyl. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. 7 to 8. I go between the US Sony SACD and the 35DP depending on mood. . Nowadays I listen to vinyl. Even vinyl has enough dynamic range to cover that. SACD vs Vinyl Read More » 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. Sucks that there's no general concensus as to which CD is better, aside from the SACD. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. SACD- smooth, mellow sound. Similar to what I notice. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountI purchased the Immersion box when it was released for the surround mix. Vinyl does not always trounce digital. CCR SACD vs new vinyl. So here the thing, i've listen to both Vinyl's CD's and SACD's im trying to see if there's really difference. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. Multi-Channel Audio: SACDs often feature multi-channel audio, allowing for surround sound experiences. I grew up in the analogue days (vinyl and tape) so tape hiss is to be expected on recordings. On the Analogue Productions SACD, the treble cacophony is bathed in a cushion of hall ambience that is far more realistic and less strident. Elton John Elton John (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003607-36) All the Elton John SACD's sound incredible. #20. S. A vinyl record vs a SACD is very very close. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. But for myself, I think that SACD, when it is really done right (ei: A really good true DSD player, combined with either Pure-DSD recordings, or DSD from pure analog recordings) has many of the. some of the older quadrophonic recordings now being reissued), or are pieces which were designed for surround sound (e. Whether is was done 15-20-30 years ago or today. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. Every time. When it comes to the debate of cardioid vs super cardioid for live. Redbook back in the day. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. If the OP wastes money on those with no SACD player, then he wastes money. Deeper fuller sound across the board. These have to be the quietest set of CDs to be mastered in the “modern era”. I agree with you about surface noise. After an extensive shoot-out lasting 53 hours, I'm. I'm a vinyl lover, then DSD, then PCM. Details;The 777ES’s performance improved gradually during a burn-in period of three weeks. This one is the best sounding by far. Since this mess I want to compare more where I have overlap. Sent from my LG-H820. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. The Super Audio Compact Disc format was. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. Native DSD64 (SACD) is better still and DSD128 recordings are amazingly good. I’m about to open a subjective can of worms here. If that makes sense. In. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. . Also, I believe Testikoff mentioned that the Shm transfer came from a master tape made for vinyl, which is not a good thing IMO. Vinyl. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. They compared the two channel mix. The remastering has added the humanity and warmth Mozart requires. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. I am a big vinyl fan, but have a small library of SACD's. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. Virtual. In other words, it sounds like continuous noise on the tape which is mainly audible between the tracks, and MFSL decided not to fade it out. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. 1 kHz setup. If it's a choice between vinyl and SACD in headphones, then most people with any sort of budget will almost certainly pick SACD. 5 manual RCM then queued up one track at a time. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. Newly remastered by Bernie Grundman, from the original analog master tapes! Includes both mono and stereo mixes — Pure DSD sound! *cd layer contains stereo mix only. Hendersonville, Tennessee Home of Cash & Orbison. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. But, Keith's drumming track seems lack lustre and 'dull', imo. A masterpiece SACD set. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. 3. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. I don’t care what they claim they did to the CD. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. Doug Sax was also involved with the mastering of these CDs. ssmith3046, Nov 28, 2012 #4. DSD is also far more accurate where it counts, in the meaty. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. The SACD just seemed too in my face and bright. However, I think it's still too early to answer this question even with identically mastered sources recorded and played back on state-of-the-art equipment optimized for. I always remember the SACD being pretty good, but I now think the vinyl destroys it. The vinyl was much better. But the more I listen the more I enjoy music, tint and all. By all means, get the 4 DCC's. SACD Specifications. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. Analog sources- CD vs. This release was originally announced in late 2019 and fans have been waiting patiently ever since. This opinion is based on over 2 dozen CD, SACD/CD players and transport/DACS I've heard here over the past 18 months. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. I will do some digging myself, so far still on the fence. Likewise whichever has the edge in your playback system will be superior to the. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. onlyconnect, Sep 19, 2020. Blows them all away with more full body richness. net (24. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. #1. I am not sure if it is a great. Re: Super audio cd vs dvd audio. But the dramatic difference occurs in vinyl. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . The difference between DSD and the source vinyl was very, very slight and I am not sure I could tell the difference on any given day. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. Vinyl- whoa. They pretty much mirror each other in my opinion. I have two completely different setups for vinyl, and digital, and my vinyl is always a little more bass and drums heavy, past that, no glaring differences.